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Ran against the status quo of 30 years. i can understand people feeling betrayed by his victory last november, but there's three points i would really like to make on this. number one, we're not at war with russia. mitt romney was mocked for suggesting that in 2012 in the presidential debate by other networks. and so, you know, we do have policy differences. so when president trump lays out a vision for america, and all of a sudden, we seem to be undercut by insiders without any proof, i think that's very dangerous language. number two, you have to look at where, if we're going to go under thi...

About what could happen to donald trump. there's a question being raised by a prominent republican should treason be part of this discussion. my next guest is former republican congressman tom cole, and he says, yes, arguing that there are questions about treason now that have been raised by the evidence that are not just, quote, liberal fantasy. in fact, there's talk about this across the spectrum. on the right, steve bannon quoted in fire and fury saying the russian meeting at trump tower was actually, remember when he said this, treasonous and unpatriotic. laurence tribe has said trump's at...

Evidence in already in the public record. that's what i based an op-ed recently on, was the public record. first of all, i don't lightly use this term. as you just noticed, the president himself misuses the dermand a lot of people do. i went to the constitution. to commit treason a person has to be at war with the country and provide aid and comfort to the enemy. now, the question is, are we at war with russia? because the russians were doing the hacking. and if so, then are they our enemy? i submit that because of the massive hacking and cyberattacks that were made on this country and on our ...

The russian hackers themselves said that they were in this country hacking into our system because they were having informational warfare against the united states of america. >> don't you risk painting a pretty broad brush if anyone in america who talks positively about those kind of groups, a lot of people have talked about wikileaks depending on what story they have out on a given day, that you're raising the most serious charge you can raise of treason? >> the president was briefed by the fbi in august about the possible infiltration into his campaign. he had been put on notice. then he go...

Open. >> it's interesting. i did a story actually for "wall street journal" on treason. the word is being used so frequently by both sides, and law professors when you talk to them will say treason specifically was so narrowly defined because the founding fathers didn't want to be used as a political weapon. you can't just throw the word treason around when it's like you said, one of the most serious crimes you could ever be charged with. >> you think it might be a misfire? >> it's an interesting point, when you're thinking about treason and being at war with somebody, the ultimate act of war ...