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That for a long time, not forever but for a long time but also express some sympathy for what is happening on the ground there and some accuracy in describing what is happening on the ground there because what keeps happening is the administration is saying things and then we see clarissa's reporting and other reporting like it and doesn't match what they're saying. >> what do you attribute that to, maggie? because if you measure the biden, the tone that we see recently in this interview and here in recent days to biden himself, there's -- it's almost a callousness compared to how we heard him...

Ongoing. but you make the most important point. this is the kind of thing law enforcement fears and is the kind of thing they've been warning about. >> whitney live on the scene for us. we'll stay on top of it. we know you will as well. when we come back the president in an interview says chaos in afghanistan was inevitable. that doesn't match up with what he said before. cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪ so, you have diabetes, here are some easy rules. no sugar...

That and continue to do that? >> no. no one said that to me that i can recall. >> kaitlan, help me with this because that doesn't match the reporting that we've had for months. >> well i think it is that last phrase that he used there, that is so important here, which is not that i can recall. we know there were strenuous debates internally how this should proceed. those happened not just at principle level but at lower levels as well and there were some, we were told at time, including the chairman of the joints chiefs of staff general mark milley who advocated for keeping a presence in afgha...

If that speech he gave in philadelphia is what he truly believes what he's doing doesn't match and this white house essential to its brand of anything is competence. look at images out of afghanistan. look at the complete lack of any plan on federal voting rights legislation. i think there is a moral failings but a political risk to doing nothing. >> yeah. nicolle, fascinating. there's a lot at play here. in fact, beto o'rourke tees it up well, because joe biden could be confronting this as the great civil rights issue of this time. right? defining it as fundamental voting rights and civil rig...

Ticking. biden said he was going to have a 90-day review. we are almost 30 days from the end of that i can tell you what they are going to say is it's not conclusive. why? because they haven't really looked. >> brian: yes or no, they say they have only lost 4,400 to this virus in china. is that plausible? >> well, it's not only plausible it, doesn't match what the intelligence we have. let me just tell you, they lied about that. they lied about the origin. it's time we hold china accountable. >> brian: mark meadow, thanks so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you, brian. >> brian: still to come ...