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Mississippi. then it went into all of the other flags in the south in 1954. what happened in 1954, chuck, that would have caused them -- to have a reactive thing to suggest -- >> supreme court decision. >> supreme court decision that triggered the white supremacists. this is not talking about taking away our heritage. as americans we need to stop the dialectic about it and realize we can expand. charleston understands this. this was this lily white city that was tourism for the antebellum stuff, included african-americans, thriving as ever pull. pull back the camera, we're not cutting out of y...

Donald trump. >> you're assuming trump-ism loses the civil war in the republican party, though. it could -- they become the republican party and the republican party as you know it becomes a third party. >> or this is 1912. william howard taft, orthodox republican and t.r., theodore roosevelt runs as a progressive. donald trump may feel it's to his advantage to. >> closest of an ex-president so worked up they basically torpedo their successor, which is what t.r. did. >> so upset he ran against the income dent president taft, look what he said against taft, put in the shade by what george w. bu...

>> broad tax reform is one of the toughest things to do politically. >> as we found out. >> the benefits, if we're talking about the benefit toss wealthy individuals, we're talking going from 39% to 35%. >> state tax is no small thing. >> that's a little different for most small businesses and farms. >> for a minute, we were talking about intangible things and tangible. snug more tangible than the american people is health care. they understand a sick person and having medical bills pile up mean much more than the estate taxes will help them or not. that's why i find it extraordinary this shor...

Other work? >> a few. pat teaberry, i think the world of him. the guy the gop triplets. >> you're saying -- >> i've had through going through college -- the thing is he really wanted to run for the u.s. senate and decided, this isn't the right year. >> not the right year. this is not the right year, and -- and -- so i think -- everybody's, going to think what's best for me? because -- things in the republican party are not going -- quite right. ever seen a party in power, members all worry more about themselves surviving a national election? rare. isn't it? >> yeah. but i don't want to sound -...

Establishment, and put in populists and nationalists. for president trump, the goal, govern the next three or seven years, and i suspect that one of the topics at lunch monday between senator mcconnell and president trump was, senator mcconnell explaining, you may not like us. you might not regret if any of us individually lose re-election, but we are what's between you and impeachment. and that -- losing the majority in the house means handing democrats subpoena power and we're impeachment -- you know, that -- >> wow. you think that the best strategy for mitch mcconnell and paul ryan right no...