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Show the public that this is not just trying to remove a president because they don't like him. they have to show the public that this is a fair process. and that's why the public hearings are important. i think to a degree they've put themselves behind the curve on this. and republicans have taken advantage of it and now the question is with the public hearings, does the public listen to this and say, yeah, this is really a problem when a guy like vindman testifies or a guy like bolton, we don't know what he's going to say, does that move the public? because it if moves the public, it moves t...

Interpreted it one way or another. whether you want to say that is quid pro quo or it is during negotiations to find information on a political opponent. however you characterize it, there are clearly some people testifying on capitol hill who didn't think it was perfect. i think there are republican senators who are now to the place where they are saying, "okay, it wasn't perfect, but it wasn't illegal. we don't think it's impeachable." and they are having that multiple-choice option of how to stand with the president but say of the call up wasn't everything. >> harris: it's interesting, on f...

Process. might not necessarily deserve that. howard: "the washington post" has a report growing number of republicans are ready to acknowledge that, yes, donald trump used military aid as leverage to get an investigation going of the bidens in the ukraine, but it's not an impeachable offense, it doesn't rise to that level. nothing happened in the end. if they do acknowledge that and the stories reporting this are not fake. >> well, they have -- senators have been telling me now for weeks that they don't like what the president did on the call, but that doesn't rise to an impeachable offense. t...

On the trail? just because the house members, for example, they have a direct impact on what is actually going to happen here because they get to vote on whatever articles of impeachment get drafted. so i do think that to your point that it's not something that's come up. that is a little bit surprising actually. given the fact that the resistance was so energized since the first day of his presidency, the day after his swearing in. >> how did democrats on the trail, should they be talking about this? how do they wade in effectively on the question of impeachment? >> i think they need to focus...

Coverage through the rest of the process. might not necessarily deserve that. howard: "the washington post" has a report growing number of republicans are ready to acknowledge that, yes, donald trump used military aid as leverage to get an investigation going of the bidens in the ukraine, but it's not an impeachable offense, it doesn't rise to that level. nothing happened in the end. if they do acknowledge that and the stories reporting this are not fake. >> well, they have -- senators have been telling me now for weeks that they don't like what the president did on the call, but that doesn't ...