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That very well. >> i think you just articulated what i was trying to say much better than i did. it's mostly about the idea of him. yes, it is him, but it could be someone else who espouses the same ideas as him. they want to believe in him. but he happened to be particularly skilled at getting them to do that. we saw in arizona the fraudit, when the truth comes out it doesn't shake president trump's loy loyalty. why? >> they provide an escape from the world. trump says this is just more evidence of the fake news lying to persecute me. because the strong man has to have the victim complex and ...

Admission of a bribery. >> nbc news asked giuliani what he hoped to accomplish in ukraine. he responded saying i will revite it when i'm ready and if this doesn't shake up the watch and get us to the cut out the years of corruption i might then agree with those who say it's hopeless. we'll get to all that but first a look now at the case that democrats are making this week against donald trump. >> the president abused his power for his own personal political benefit at the expense of our national security by withholding military aid and in exchange for an announcement of an investigation into ...

All a setup. joining me, democratic congressman eric swalwell, a member of the house intelligence and judicial committees. you're on both of the relevant committees. thanks for being here. >> of course. good morning, joy. >> let's start with rudy giuliani. here is what he texted back to nbc reporter kristen welker after the text that she texted him about this trip that he made to ukraine. he texted back, no, i will reveal it when i'm ready, and if this doesn't shake up the swamp and get us to cut out the years of corruption, i might then agree with those who say it's hopeless. that's a lot of ...

Rudy giuliani about his trip to ukraine. >> he has a lot of good information. >> suggesting that the former mayor at the center of an impeachment scandal may share his findings on capitol hill. >> i think he wants to go before congress and say and also to the attorney general and the department of justice i hear he's found plenty. >> giuliani's document will investigate ukraine's role in the 2016 presidential election. he will reveal his strategy when he is ready adding if this doesn't shake up the swamp i might then agree with those that say it's hopeless chlts n. >> the president was asked i...

The white house announced it will not participate in the hearings. but the president suggested today that his personal attorney, rudy giuliani, could send a report to congress. >> he did get back from europe just recently. and i know -- he has not told me what he's found. but i think he wants to go before congress and say, and also to the attorney general and the department of justice. i hear he's found plenty. >> giuliani visited ukraine, as you heard the president alluding to, this week. he talked about the investigation in an interview this morning. >> i feel a great deal of frustration tha...