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Thing in texas. usually code for social conservative values. he seems to be at the cusp of redefining the code of values. he's not afraid to compete by talking about good morales and american values. >> and the other was to take barack obama. you know, there are -- >> exactly. >> at least -- you said it. he has the it factor that politicians you really need to keep your eye on have. and not everybody has it, and he has it. and one of those things is the ability to talk about those inner things that matter to people in a way that doesn't sound phony. >> i loved how he was saying he didn't like ...

Mitt romney can say that doesn't sound phony and, frankly, pathetic. he called trump vishes acious al things and the idea that now trump has won that mitt would suddenly decide to issue and say, oh, gee, all the vicious things i said about you when you were running i didn't mean them. he sure did try to defeat donald trump. >> what does newt want? >> revenge. >> sounds like it. >> he's still mad about romney kicking him out of the presidential race in public fashion in 2012. staffing an administration at these high-level positions it's not often about rewarding. where the winning candidate loo...

Appointees by the president of the united states and the entire irs. so it doesn't sound phony to me, jay. >> i greatly appreciate that is the line pushed by republicans who want washington to be focused on scandals instead of the economy. >> no, no, no, no, jay, that doesn't work. is that the truth or not, jay? is that the truth or not? you said, jay, this was limited to cincinnati. that wasn't true. i want to talk about the economy, but talk to me -- >> give me a chance, joe. >> don't give me talking points because that doesn't work on this show. and you've been here long enough to know it d...