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People -- howard: well -- >> what i found was, is that instead they're trying to find arguments to vote against her like we saw with child porn. ideal how she treated gitmo detainees, et cetera. howard: yeah, susan makes the point democrats do the same thing when they're vetting a republican nominated justice. susan conservative pundits are having a good time mocking jackson's answer on defining a woman. she is not a biologist. aren't the media playing along with the game here, what she was trying to do avoid being drawn into discussion of transgender rights and trans athletes? >> that is such...

Define ad man and woman two distinct things were not fungible. so as follow-up question judge jackson said she wasn't familiar with the ruling, that is when the question came up, well what is a woman? sounds like a question you can laugh at ask a nominee to the high court but actually a very serious question right now. it is happening with women's sports. bathrooms. howard: do you believe the coverage of that answer is warranted as opposed to her trying to sidestep a contentious issue? >> i think the coverage is warranted but the coverage was not what i would hope it would be, which would be t...

Pornography, not just some kind of victimless crime because it was just viewing images. the only reason why child porn continues to exist because people are up loading those images. it is just absolutely -- howard: creating a market for it. >> so very serious issue. howard: let me get to richard. i thought jackson's response was one case by senator hawley. 18-year-old kid, she sentenced to three months for poe testing, downloading many hours involving young kids. when the prosecutor's recommendation was two years. she also said these were terrible crimes she wrestled with. >> she did. every ti...

♪. howard: what has train the most media coverage from the senate hearings, focus, led by republican senator josh hawley on ketanji brown jackson's sentencing of child porn defendants. >> having a hard time wrapping my head around it. talking about eight-year-olds nine-year-olds, 11-year-olds, 12-year-olds, he has images of these the government said added up to over 600 images. >> it is heinous. it is egregious. what a judge has to do is determine how to sentence defendants proportionately. howard: susan, judge jackson's 10 sentences in these chide porn cases getting enormous media coverage....