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iran from going nuclear which this clearly does for a period of time. >> bill, really quick. >> no i don't think -- i mean it doesn't slow down the nuclear program. it's going to increase nuclear proliferation. >> clearly it slows it down. >> there is more likely there will be nuclear proliferation now than there was three years ago. this is a deal that legitimatizes the nuclear program. they paid no price for lying and shooting in the past. they don't promise not to sponsor terror. why doesn't the saudis and egyptians decide hey, guess what? it pays off to go get nuclear weapons? >> no question. >> the arms embargo, the money flowing into iran would that not have happened? would not the money have flowed into iran almost immediately if these talks broke up because sanctions would not have been able to have been imposed going forward and iran would have benefited much faster? >> you know i stand clear to my statements and the arms needs and found ways to get the arms
they needs. secondly egyptians and saudis can go nuclear. they have to also accept going under sanction that's iran pakistan india and all these countries that went after nuclear program have to go through. so it's a big debt. look at the middle east. our main concern, europe's main concern, russia's main concern is isis. and in that five our arab allies are not necessarily very interested or engaged. when you look at iraq, it's ironically iranian that's are doing the fighting against isis. this picture is much more complicated than it used to be. and there are places in which u.s. and iranian interests are going to meet and there are place that's are going to be against one another. in iraq and syria clearly, you know, as we look at how we're going to contain isis the main fighting force on the ground is iran. a lot of the $140 billion is going to go to fighting isis. >> the new issue of time mae mag"time" magazine is out now. thank you for joining us g to see you both. tomorrow on "morning joe,"