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Think? independent voters 2-1 are turning against the president and they don't believe he steered the economy in the right way. and that he is addressing the debt crisis. they are only going to take a look at the solyndra scandal after these other major issues. so it's hard to imagine this really sinking him with people who are on the fence about his economic record. >> i think it might. people will grant that obama he may not be a good manager but at least he is acting in good faith. if you get a scandal in which it looks like they're covering up and corrupt, i think that is going to undo tha...

Understanding why they were able, why was jay carney making that claim? i don't think jay carney goes out as a matter of process and lies to the american people. who told him those were charitable meetings? >> bret: a.b., talk about the impact of all of this. look at the polls here, we asked a question do you think this loan to solyndra is either unethical behavior or good faith loan that went bad? it's 46-46. but you dig in, the republicans think 75%, something unethical happened. 51% of independents say it involved unethical behavior. how big of a deal is this? how far do you think it can go...

Perspective. what do you think of this? >> they have been saying that question of a greek default when, not if. greece's problems are bigger than they can handle. they hate the spending cuts. the cuts spark away violent protests. there were more today. the stock market has been driven by the daily headlines out of europe. we have had so many wild swings on wall street lately. but the real worry is will greece's problem spread to the rest of germany? germany signed off on a bail-out package today to make sure a debt crisis doesn't ungulf the entire continue innocent. >> bret: is therinnocent --...

Perspective. what do you think of this? >> they have been saying that question of a greek default when, not if. greece's problems are bigger than they can handle. they hate the spending cuts. the cuts spark away violent protests. there were more today. the stock market has been driven by the daily headlines out of europe. we have had so many wild swings on wall street lately. but the real worry is will greece's problem spread to the rest of germany? germany signed off on a bail-out package today to make sure a debt crisis doesn't ungulf the entire continue innocent. >> bret: is therinnocent --...