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We have originalists, we have other folks who interpret the constitution differently. that's exactly what we have with lawmakers now. but make no mistake, a lot of this is political too. they're listening to their constituents. they're worried about being primaried. they're worried if a republican takes a stand against donald trump that they might not be politically viable in their district. so there's definitely a political consideration here as well. if the president is shown to be unambiguously have done wrong by the american people, they might change their minds. but there are definitely p...

First of all, think of where we would be if the house did not act, what they would be saying is, there's nothing illegitimate about manipulating foreign leaders and damaging national security to benefit yourself for an election. there's nothing illegitimate about making yourself rich in office. but there's another point to make, chris. this vote wasn't just about moving forward with an impeachment inquiry. it was setting guidelines and procedures that are really powerful. the intelligence committee under adam schiff, 30 minutes or even 90 minutes of questions where you can really dig in. we ma...

Kind of a menu of difficult political decisions. >> let's talk a little strategy, liz. house speaker nancy pelosi has been very serious, kind of calm and measured through all this yesterday. the democrats who were coming out after the vote, many of them, if not all, talked about how solemn the occasion it was, how seriously they were taking it. and yet against what jake and i were just talking about, this sort of scorched earth message that the president and republicans have used the calm a measured win against that? >> it could because ultimately the american people will make the decision her...

>> back then you could say he had money to lose but there was always money to fall back on. now he has the presidency, a place that maybe he thought deep down he would get to but nobody expected him to. how is that affecting the judgment you once knew so well? >> it's physiological first. when you are under stress, you move into this fight or flight state and your prefrontal cortex, your thinking mind shuts down and you become reactive and impulsive. you're about your survival. so you don't think well. trump starts off as you know, not thinking well, he's not reflective, not introspective. he ...

Always money to fall back on. now he has the presidency, a place that maybe he thought deep down he would get to but nobody expected him to. how is that affecting the judgment you once knew so well? >> it's physiological first. when you are under stress, you move into this fight or flight state and your prefrontal cortex, your thinking mind shuts down and you become reactive and impulsive. you're about your survival. so you don't think well. trump starts off as you know, not thinking well, he's not reflective, not introspective. he doesn't read and doesn't think things through. now you have a ...