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House to put a check and balance on trump. and democrats choose to impeachment, they're not going to vote for those people, they're going to go right on. they sent democrats in to work on health care and other issues. to table issues, that impeachment doesn't meet that. >> we are doing all that. mitch mcconnell kills it. it's the grim reaper and the graveyard. we pass things and we don't get a senate and the president, it doesn't make a difference. we have to win the presidency and the senate. that's a long shot. i'm not suggesting we impeach for politics. we ought to do it because he deserves...

Colombia, south carolina. joining us now, andre perry, fellow for the brookings institution. >> can we ask the question, the discussion we were having in the break? >> absolutely. we say this all the time. everybody thinks teachers should be paid more. it's common sense, except it's not. when it comes to voting for it, the only people who do are people who have children. everybody wants their garbage collected. everybody wants good firefighters and police officers in their town. so, it's actually not true to say everyone believes this. everyone doesn't vote for it. what do we do with that? >...

>> what do you make of the stamps being made? >> i saw those. those are great. they should. >> and i want to talk about your book as well. it is called finding my voice, my journey to the west wing and the path forward. there was so much hope attached to the obama era. in part because of people like you. the elevation of an african-american him would, you come out of chicago and you are elevated to this influential position. does it feel now like that was almost a moment that floated into our lives but wasn't real? >> no, no, it feels very real. first of all, i was there eight years. so it was...

If you were in robert mueller's position as a special counsel, which you would be by the way fully qualified to do with your background and experience in a case like this and you were at this point where an now it's the question of testifying to congress about this would you make that request that it be a closed door hearing? >> oh, no, i would testify in public. i think that involves a lot of the flavor. you never know what's going to happen when all kinds of witnesses are testifying in public. i've been a litigator for a long time, as long as bob mueller. you never know what's going to come ...

Prematurely so that he can cry foul and total exoneration if the senate doesn't vote to remove him. that will be his campaign going into the 2020 election. i don't think nancy pelosi is trying to bait him or baiting him. i think it's the other way around. >> if you were in the house of representatives whashlgsd you be advocating in. >> i would pause, i agree with jerry nadler. i think they should have a full summer of investigations so that by the time the house finally cuts and cuts cleanly on the question of whether to vote for impeachment, by the way, and the evidence is already there as a ...