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Killer in wichita, robert hanson, the fbi agent turned soviet spy. we talked to both of their wives, they knew nothing, had no yg. many time there's one spouse that doesn't want to hear, doesn't wa to sent to see, they the marriage to work. >> do you think he was the kind of person that would confide anything in his wife? >> i don't think so. i don't think so at all. i think this guy -- i think he wore a mask and very few people saw under that mask. and especially these trips back and ford and radical lradicaliz. i think his wife was overwhelmed but what she saw and didn't know how to report. ...

Person rather than an i.t. computer programmer? >> so this is an interesting question and it goes beyond what he's talking about which is how do you market your business, right? people have a preconceived idea about what you do, whatever it is, in this case, it's web design. how do you sell what you do? >> this is easy. you cannot change customers' perspectives. so you don't tell them, let me tell you what a web designer really is. give it a new label. you're a first impression designer, impact designer. that will get them saying i don't know what that is and you can point out the dichss. >> i...