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Interrupting him but not her then you see this press release today by a bumpbl of movement conservatives and frequent media critics the system is rigged. the moderators were disgraceful. my experience is these things don't usually happen in isolation. i think you also had backstage interruption between the trump campaign and frank fahrencof, the cochair. >> they would be opposite bill clinton, see if he would shake their hands. pro versus con. why not go -- i guess what are you hearing? what is the pro versus con of not going? >> no matter what your message is. >> at this point the trump campa...

Weekend. he had the best debate performance. he showed a lot he didn't have in the first debate. here's what he's not accomplished. hanging in the balances will people today come out against him the way they did over the weekend? i think that's still possible including some big names. two, how does he find an electoral college path. he didn't have it before friday and he doesn't right now. if he can consolidate republicans he can be plausible and hoping about revelations about hillary clinton or a third strong debate performance. >> nobody suggests at this table that he somehow tightened the r...

That you have trump stating, he later changed. >> right. >> and so there's enough -- >> the deportation force. >> and on the abortion topic. >> i'm surprised kaine didn't say anything when he said many of them -- he didn't say many of them. >> he said some, i assume. >> i assume. and that has a very different take than what pence was doing. pence was trying to rewrite the first draft of history a little bit. that was part of his job to calm everything down and he did that. he sounded presidential -- or vice presidential. >> he was more calming, gloria, do you -- i guess you should admit than d...

We were talking to political pundits yesterday. what david is saying for the most part is correct. but donald trump is someone we have never seen before. he's reaching out to people who are not involved in the political process and people who have not per is pay thed in see you what. he's somehow doesn't fit the mold. what do you say to that? >> it's possibly true. on the other hand, what i believe is going to happen is that if senator cruz wins in iowa that will change the ballgame in november. politic is quite fluid at this point. voters -- many of the trump voters have democrats, they have ...

Win i can't make the difference. >> you know there's running conventional wisdom with you that say, okay, he's here to stay, but if he doesn't win iowa, he'll leave. he'll leave the race. >> i'm not leaving. i'm not leaving. you and i had us this discussion about two months ago and you said would you leave. i've been number one since i joined up. june 16th, amazing. we had a lot of fun but you asked me that question. i started talking about maybe here, maybe there. >> glathere's no maybes anymore. >> no maybes. i'm not leaving. >> you're going straight to the convention? >> if i don't win, i d...