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Him telling what he knows. why -- why murder? that's not justice! that's murder. >> assassination. >> assassination. that is not the barack -- and that's know the barack i knew. that's not the barack i knew across the years, before he got political asspirations. >> sean: again, that's not the same barack. but more importantly, what does this reveal about the president's views on race? what was he trying to communicate there? you were there with him? >> it was pretty clear to me that the president was saying that if he allied himself with the reverend wright, who was perceived as this angry bla...

Okay? president obama, everyone was so excited, can do no wrong. and people didn't know a lot about him. he had some fancy rhetoric. he has held true to his word that he was going to fundamentally change america -- do you like it? >> sean: joe biden recently went on nbc. he went on with -- this is the -- you know, john chancellor's network, tom broo brokaw, nbc nightly news with brian williams. and he went on with this guy -- right here. >> you are damn right dick cheney's heart is a political football. we ought to rip it out, kick it around and stuff it back him in. i am glad he didn't tip ov...

>> sean: interesting. anyone that ever -- you know brought up the fact, he did say in his book that he studied the koran. all right. he didn't say he was a muslim. he said that the prayer at sunset was beautiful. he didn't say he was a muslim. but if you bring it up -- the right wing is trying to... you know. all right. vione last question for you. you do pander throughout this interview -- >> yes, do i. >> sean: to reverend wright. you suck up to him big time. >> right? i didn't know if you meant it. at one point, you even attacked me in this interview, which i was a little surprised to hear....

Tomorrow. because if you go out in front of the public and you are going to become the focus, you are going to become the media focus and... all the attention will be deflected away from my announcing the candidacy and that's a starring moment. >> sean: you know what i talktook out of that? you can kind of be over the top at times. the president really did know what jeremiah wright thought. >> of course, he did. he knew more than what he even said in the church because he and the reverend wright met numerous times in his private office, and he knew exactly what he stood for. >> sean: all right...

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