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The opposition. is there a role for the u.s. government to play to stop american private companies from doing putin's bidding like that? or doing things like that for other authoritarian regimes around the world? >> i think there is. but let's start, first at home, rachel. i share your concern about what happened in the russian elections, but i think first we have to take necessary legislative and regulatory action to begin to regulate the way that our social media and tech companies operate. we had to have new rules for the industrial age, at the beginning of the last century. well, we certai...

Against any sort of russian encroachment on american power. and from a local perspective, where we end up looking at this is that the republicans are getting away with all sorts of shenanigans that the democrats should be forcing them to tow the line on. democrats should, at every opportunity, be talking about cheating in elections, should be talking about doing putin's bidding. and we do talk about that in sum. but the difficulty in this whole process has been sustaining a narrative that the american people can wrap their minds around as easily as they can trump sloegans, make america great a...

Start to think about leaving the ship and disclosing more information. including the full content of that 30-minute phone call. there's one other point that has not been made enough. this isn't just about biden and ukraine. it's about doing putin's bidding, to weak en the ukrainin president enough that russia could get away with the invasion of crimea. this is a deeper, dark, horrible situation that trump has gotten us into. it's going to start to unravel even more rapidly now. >> gene, to that point, what was your reaction to the president's inability to answer the fundamental defense questio...

Point than end point about his sources of income, whether he has made more extensive use of illegal tax shelters and illegal tax practices than the "new york times" and i and others have already reported on, and his extreme aversion to anybody knowing about his business practices. i mean, keep in mind, donald trump is not a businessman in the traditional sense that you create a business to build wealth. i did that on a very small scale. he is someone who gets his hands on an enterprise, extracts all the cash that he can, and then leaves the carcass behind. that's much more the operation of a m...

>> well, from what i can understand, the current administration's approach to iran is less about getting a better deal and about building enough pressure, unilateral american pleasuressure, to prod capitulation or implosion of that regime. i think we can do a lot of damage to their economy but i don't think we're going to do enough to cause that hard th theocratic regime to capitulate. meantime we're widening the fissure with our own european allies, doing putin's work for him, and undermining the sanctions. >> the warning that you made to secretary powell about iraq, we are replicating some o...