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Discuss his offshore consulting activities. well, with us tonight, we're happy to have jack quinn, veteran washington lawyer, former chief of staff to vice president al gore, and importantly, former white house counsel for president bill clinton. counselor, it's great to see you. thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> so let me start you this way with a dual question. number one, is it possible this president is sending pardon signals over twitter? and, number two, let's play a hypothetical. he pardons cohen. that clears cohen of doing time, but it also take...

>> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> so let me start you this way with a dual question. number one, is it possible this president is sending pardon signals over twitter? and, number two, let's play a hypothetical. he pardons cohen. that clears cohen of doing time, but it also takes away cohen's right to invoke the fifth, correct? so can't mueller or the southern district of new york bring him right in and ask him anything they want in front of a grand jury? >> well, let me answer that second question. yes, absolutely. once he's pardoned, there's no threat of jail time. so, yeah, he's not...

With a dual question. number one, is it possible this president is sending pardon signals over twitter? and, number two, let's play a hypothetical. he pardons cohen. that clears cohen of doing time, but it also takes away cohen's right to invoke the fifth, correct? so can't mueller or the southern district of new york bring him right in and ask him anything they want in front of a grand jury? >> well, let me answer that second question. yes, absolutely. once he's pardoned, there's no threat of jail time. so, yeah, he's not protecting himself by invoking the fifth amendment. therefore, it's not...

>> i don't know. i guess freedom. tough be free to ride them. >> lucky's models were more than a hobby. he made one special bike as a gift for his daughter, who he never met. >> she's 9 years old. she never met her dad. i want to give her something she don't have. >> in some cases, prison sentence allows an inmate to discover a talent he might never have known he had. for clay lopez, a california state prison, corcoran, doing time led him to the harmonica. >> i'm almost 50 years old. i'll be over 50 when i get out, so, i don't have a career or anything, so i thought if i learn to play the harm...