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Discuss his offshore consulting activities. well, with us tonight, we're happy to have jack quinn, veteran washington lawyer, former chief of staff to vice president al gore, and importantly, former white house counsel for president bill clinton. counselor, it's great to see you. thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> so let me start you this way with a dual question. number one, is it possible this president is sending pardon signals over twitter? and, number two, let's play a hypothetical. he pardons cohen. that clears cohen of doing time, but it also take...

>> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> so let me start you this way with a dual question. number one, is it possible this president is sending pardon signals over twitter? and, number two, let's play a hypothetical. he pardons cohen. that clears cohen of doing time, but it also takes away cohen's right to invoke the fifth, correct? so can't mueller or the southern district of new york bring him right in and ask him anything they want in front of a grand jury? >> well, let me answer that second question. yes, absolutely. once he's pardoned, there's no threat of jail time. so, yeah, he's not...

With a dual question. number one, is it possible this president is sending pardon signals over twitter? and, number two, let's play a hypothetical. he pardons cohen. that clears cohen of doing time, but it also takes away cohen's right to invoke the fifth, correct? so can't mueller or the southern district of new york bring him right in and ask him anything they want in front of a grand jury? >> well, let me answer that second question. yes, absolutely. once he's pardoned, there's no threat of jail time. so, yeah, he's not protecting himself by invoking the fifth amendment. therefore, it's not...

What was said, given that only witnesses to it are vladimir putin and vladimir putin's translator. >> that's right. and what then happens, even president obama's administration, he has a meeting like that, you know, with him, there was usually a note taker. i actually performed that duty many times. but here is what happens to build on david's point. again i want to emphasize, i don't know the content of the meeting. but let's play a hypothetical. let's say putin said you know what, barack obama, president obama, he stole those properties from me in maryland and new york. that was illegal, don...

And what then happens, even president obama's administration, he has a meeting like that, you know, with him, there was usually a note taker. i actually performed that duty many times. but here is what happens to build on david's point. again i want to emphasize, i don't know the content of the meeting. but let's play a hypothetical. let's say putin said you know what, barack obama, president obama, he stole those properties from me in maryland and new york. that was illegal, donald. that was illegal. he shouldn't have done that. president trump doesn't know the details of that, right? that's ...