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learned trump s inner circle told him the fraud claims were false. within the committee, a significant public split over whether to send a criminal referral to the doj, and so that s where we want to begin today with democratic congresswoman of virginia who is on the select committee. she s joining us now. thank you so much for taking the time, congresswoman. the chairman says that a criminal referral is not going to happen. i know you and other committee members say that s not been decided. why isn t everyone on the same page? well, what i d say is it s correct that this hasn t been decided. we haven t got ton that point yet as far as the committee making a formal decision. the chairman says it s not going to happen. he went that far. well, we are continuing to have discussions within the committee, and i would say that this is something that is a very important topic for us to decide and decide as a whole committee, and we will make that decision and that announ ....
Important topic for us to decide and decide as a whole committee, and we will make that decision and that announcement about the decision at the appropriate time, but what i can say from my perspective, and i made a statement last night. i think we have a responsibility to the american people when we as congress and this or any other investigation, if we determine there s criminal investigation, we refer it to the appropriate authorities. i guess the other side here is attorney general merrick garland says he and his prosecutors are watching all the hearings. they obviously can independently make a determination of whether anything is prosecutable based on the evidence they see. so i do wonder what would a potential criminal referral accomplish? i think that when this committee completes our work, when we go through the series of hearings, lay out the information for the public and as you said, the attorney general, the department of justice is watching, i think it s important for ....
Supporting someone who tried to overturn the last election. thank you for taking the time. appreciate it. thank you. for much more on this, let s bring in ambassador in the obama administration, legal analyst n norm eisen and shan wu. bill barr said he hasn t seen anything yet that makes him think trump broke the law. and that was even echoed by one of yesterday s witnesses, republican election lawyer ben ginsberg. shan, given your experience within the doj, do you see a prosecutable case yet? oh, i definitely see a prosecutorial case here. i think barr s point that he thought trump might be detached from reality, i think we need to emphasize from a prosecutorial point of view, being detached from reality is not a defense to any crime unless you want to plead not guilty by reason of insanity, which they can do. ....
Learned trump s inner circle told him the fraud claims were false. within the committee, a significant public split over whether to send a criminal referral to the doj, and so that s where we want to begin today with democratic congresswoman of virginia who is on the select committee. she s joining us now. thank you so much for taking the time, congresswoman. the chairman says that a criminal referral is not going to happen. i know you and other committee members say that s not been decided. why isn t everyone on the same page? well, what i d say is it s correct that this hasn t been decided. we haven t got ton that point yet as far as the committee making a formal decision. the chairman says it s not going to happen. he went that far. well, we are continuing to have discussions within the committee, and i would say that this is something that is a very ....
That this was a lie, and continued to push it out. that it can t be just a good faith belief that i really thought there was fraud. i really thought and of course, over 60 plus legal cases also support that. as well as the fact that amazingly, many of those lawyers in those 60 cases have been brought up on ethics charges for making the arguments. that s how out in left field it is. what do you make in this split over the committee over spending a criminal referral to the doj? is one needed? ana, thank you for having me back. you know, having worked up there for a year and walked through the halls with the members when they made comments, i think that there s a deeper agreement here than may appear. the less noticed part of chairman thompl s comments was when he said as we just heard from representative luria, that at the end of this ....