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Clinton commuted. 500 people. but i'm saying that -- >> lots of presidents pardon. the question is timing. is it a coincidence -- >> whether you go through the doj process and also whether you personally benefit from it. these people weren't -- this in no way impacted whether someone was investigating him. these were people that he felt their sentences should be commuted and i think he was right. but you just can't put it in the same basket as this. >> you can make it an issue with susan mcdougal or mark rich. >> people did. you were just talking about barack obama, and none of the people he c...

Big news on the russia probe tonight, trump's lead lawyer quits, john dowd out, he made headlines just this mast weekend with that bizarre saturday call to shut down the mueller probe. now i remember this moment because i woke up that morning and i called right in to joy reed's show, that's how big the news was. >> donald trump's personal attorney john dowd has told the daily beast this morning, that he hopes the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein will shut down the russian probe. >> it suggests in a bad way that the doj process and the president's criminal defense are together, and that's...

On the sacking of andrew mccabe by saying now let's end the entire investigation? >> this is a significant story. it comes not from a commentator or a, quote, ally of president trump but from his criminal defense attorney at a very tense time, as you know, joy, because we are in the morning after the very late night and unusual firing of the number two official at the fbi who is, of course, what we call a fact witness to the obstruction issues around james comey. the next morning betsy woodruff with a big story here. they're not quiet. they're not letting this play out. making another on-the-r...

Moderate advisors told him to hold off, told him to at least wait for this guy to be sentenced and not go above the normal procedures. remember, sheriff joe did not apply for a pardon through the doj process. a lot of people are saying this is, like, president clinton's pardon of marc rich. trump did not have a lot of support after the pardon. you even saw speaker ryan criticize him for that. there's a lot of internal white house disagreement on the pardon, but trump wanted to rewafrd one of his most loyal supporters. >> claire mchaskell is a senator from missouri.

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