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It's simultaneously those two things going on for the former president. i think ultimately he's hoping that he'll be able to at least for the short time being be able to cash in on this serious legal threat he faces. >> there's no escaping the fact that is a distant second choice to not being indicted, charged or put on trial. i mean, he has tried to avoid criminal accountability since he's been on planet earth. as a shoddy businessman, he positions himself between shoddy and flagrantly criminal for his entire life. i understand your point, this is a way to make lemonade out of lemons. i want ...

Each time, you don't get all of them. we know that as a matter of fact. those are the facts. the question about whether -- the reason for that. at one point, you get and attestation signed by a lawyer being like, we've searched high and low. this is as best we can tell it's everything. then you get a search by the fbi of 100 more dogs. while someone was wrong. someone screwed this up. yeah? >> the certification that was given at the time was largely a form, standard form certification, saying diligent search has been conducted. here are responsive documents. in retrospect, could you sit here a...

I think that had there been a lot more cooperation on both sides, i'm not saying anything about mr. corcoran here. but i think that definitely in the ordinary courts, you would have more cooperation communication. not only from the defense, but also on the doj side. i think that the matter -- really the matter in which they communications happened, it led to that. >> let me play william barr to making a somewhat point -- he's making it more about the trump folks. basically this was avoidable if you just handed the stuff over. take a listen. >> based on the facts, the facts come out overtime i ...

6th committee and testify at some length. we appreciated that, but there are some things that only he could talk about. for example, the phone call that he and the president, former president had on the moment morning of january six. he left a meeting he was with with his staff and went into another room to take that call. we don't know what was said. there is a lot that they need to find out that we simply could not find a. >> you made a point a marc short and greg jacobs his advisers testified before the committee providing infallible testimony. he was reluctant, he said he didn't want to te...

We want to know his interaction with mark meadows and a variety of other people. now he did have members of his staff come before the january 6th committee and testify at some length. we appreciated that, but there are some things that only he could talk about. for example, the phone call that he and the president, former president had on the moment morning of january six. he left a meeting he was with with his staff and went into another room to take that call. we don't know what was said. there is a lot that they need to find out that we simply could not find a. >> you made a point a marc sh...