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Ceiling and cuts and another debt ceiling mechanism next year sometime. david, seems like the president is basically saying all i want, get this out of the way before the incomes election. in that interest i'll give you what you want, basically? >> the democrats, without, and republican. s have drawn a line in the sand. problem is, it's inside it's republican tent. it's basically up to the bedroom. saying, we'll given you cuts, and part of reid's plan is $1.2 trillion in defense and non-defense discretionary cuts. we don't know what the cuts will be. may be real cuts in real problems, that the...

That that would help bring the economy back. so there's at least some thinking i hope on the other side that lower tax rates are an incentive for faster growth and ultimately more income over the long term. >> congressman, that's why i said, if we could close the loopholes, lower the rates, the devil's in the details and some other day we'll get into the loopholes that will close. just to be clear, i was talking about the close to trillion dollar cut in medicaid alone, really health care for the poor, not nondefense discretionary. that's where the biggest cuts are coming from. is that fair to ...

To take on entitlements and it didn't go if i where in congress. if this is what they going to deal with 61 billion dollar, why don't they shut the government down, all nonessential services pay military, homeland security, until we cut a trillion from the budget, why not? >> answer is politics. who gets the blame if you shut the government down. >> sean: we're not talking an the government. every person on social security gets their check. >> would it be a repeat of '95 when newt gingrich got the blame. i agree with you. i think these are different times. government workers are in a different...

To take on entitlements and it didn't go if i where in congress. if this is what they going to deal with 61 billion dollar, why don't they shut the government down, all nonessential services pay military, homeland security, until we cut a trillion from the budget, why not? >> answer is politics. who gets the blame if you shut the government down. >> sean: we're not talking an the government. every person on social security gets their check. >> would it be a repeat of '95 when newt gingrich got the blame. i agree with you. i think these are different times. government workers are in a different...

Democrat, this governor has tried to shut people out to the point of closing the entrances. >> and, john, the budget, the devil is in the details. what's in this budget that is really crippling to the state of wisconsin in your opinion? >> well, if the governor's budget proposal, which will come out tomorrow, does include what we're told, it will be devastating for our public schools. we have a deal in wisconsin where we pay our taxes into the state and a lot of our funds then come back to our school districts and local government. what the governor is proposing is nearly a billion dollar cut ...