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Really are not spending it, but let's not discount. $1.2 trillion, we are so used to the trillion dollar figures, that's the g.d.p. of spain. it's a huge amount of money and takes a very sophisticated administration that really has their act together to spend this money correctly. otherwise you have boondoggles, we all remember the local boondoggles like the big dig in boston, remember that, it was ten years overdue, cost ten times more than what they said it was going to be. tucker carlson last night mentioned the high speed rail between las vegas and san francisco, another boondoggle. imagin...

Size and scale and scope of it with the dollar figures to it, and c, pretty transparent about what is generally in the package. we are not going to give you an inventory list, not going to put that out to the public. as i have said from the podium many times before, we don't think there is a value for the operational security to have that in the public, what the shopping list looks like on any given day. don't see a value to doing that. i think we need to think about, always think about operational security, certainly in this case on the ukrainian's part, so we are doing that. the kinds of mat...

One substantiation of that, the secretary, a couple of weeks ago, he authorized a drawdown of $250 million within just a few days. the vast majority of that sum had been -- >> i know the dollar figures. i know the dollar figures, but i'm curious, will they get the specific systems? because i've been told by u.s. military officials it is surface-to-air missiles, it is air defense that ukraine needs most urgently. >> well, jim, let me tell you what we are providing, we're providing surface-to-air systems, we're providing anti-tank systems, we're providing anti-armor systems, we're providing smal...

Talk about adding two new states. these folks are on a mission to grow this government, to replace the private sector everywhere they can and they see this as their last best chance. >> martha: that is the underlying foundation of this build back better bill. that is what doesn't get discussed a lot. we talk about the dollar figures. it's an effort to expand the entitlement nature and the infrastructure. >> the way l.b.j. did. >> martha: absolutely. >> the way f.d.r. did. they had a mandate for change that the biden administration doesn't have. f.d.r. had a 70% approval rating. l.b.j. had one ...

You include the infrastructure measure that will bring about big change. >> i think that was really part of the motivation of last night's town hall meeting to focus on the positives, what they're doing, rather than the top dollar figures, the pay fors and what they're having to cut from it, i'm not sure how successful that was. let me drill down on the filibuster and play part of that question and answer, he was also asked, as you point out, by a member of the audience how black people were so important, black voters, to his election. and how they haven't seen vote rights. they haven't seen p...