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These are individuals who i think entirely comprehensively did not have counsel, they represented themselves. i think that was a financial decision largely. and they have substantial damages that they now have to pay, right? >> that's right. so actually a number of the defendants did have representation, but a few did not, including fairly notorious white supremacist leaders, richard spencer and chris cantwell. but even before this trial, we saw major financial impacts, operational impacts on these defendants. our plaintiffs won five-figure financial sanctions against certain defendants for fl...

Fifth amendment privilege, he doesn't have to incriminate himself. and they cannot be used against him in the criminal case, but it can be used against him and the civil case. i think they wanted to move forward quickly and perhaps to get some leverage there and help with the civil case and the liability and the money that he will eventually have to pay. jon: what do you think about that? in the o.j. simpson case he escaped criminal conviction and then the goldman and brown families when apprehensively in a one multimillion dollar judgments and at least they have that satisfaction. >> that's r...

Say, okay, i'm going to trial. then within that plaintiffs win less than a quarter of the time. >> les than a quarter of the time. >> less than a quarter of a time, when you actually go to trial, the plaintiff actually wins, the vast majority of the time the hospital or the doctor wins. the median award is $400,000. let's check the next screen, because what they did, it's interesting were they looked at a couple of specific stapts. and they want to know how often are there multimillion dollar judgments. they looked at a handful of states and in the four they looked at there, they found out tha...