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dangerous encounter. that's why you want a military-to-military communication so incidents like this don't esclaim. i want to bring in the retired former supreme allied leader of nato dr. wesley clark. always good to have you on. >> thank you, jim. >> first the positive developments are, the biggest one is that they are talking and they weren't, and this visit was cancelled at the time that the chinese balloon went over the u.s. if you had been staffing this visit to beijing, would you consider it a success? >> yeah. many as far as i'm concerned, this has been a really good visit. the united states has done what it needed to do to reach out and we should feel good about this. on the other hand, there's a very long way to go in this. >> so those are the good things, and by the way talking matters better than anyone geffen the seriousness of the sizies between these two countries.