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Directed air strikes that are affecting them and affecting their sources of income, such as the poppy fields that produce income for the taliban. so there is progress in this war. leah: the poppy fields, they make $200 million a year. when you talk to former commanders about afghanistan, they say it's the long term political issue, political reconciliation that will eventually provide if it does stability in afghanistan. but afghanistan is a place where politicians are known for corruption, technical bias when it comes to election. will afghanistan ever be a stable country? >> that's the milli...

Thousands. i remember being embedded with marines in helmand province when they had 30,000 troops and the marines were telling me, we don't have nearly enough people to cover this. look over on that hill over there, the taliban control that hill, right near and overlooking our base. so if you're adding 4,000, the mission is different. how do you take back a third of the country from the taliban. that's an open question. >> also, i remember there was all this talk about not just the military, this will be a multi-pronged thing. the state department will flood the zone with state department pers...

Surge, it had the time limited, that was a surge in the tens of thousands. i remember being embedded with marines in helmand province when they had 30,000 troops and the marines were telling me, we don't have nearly enough people to cover this. look over on that hill over there, the taliban control that hill, right near and overlooking our base. so if you're adding 4,000, the mission is different. how do you take back a third of the country from the taliban. that's an open question. >> also, i remember there was all this talk about not just the military, this will be a multi-pronged thing. the...

Kill an israeli or someone else your family gets paid money for that act. >> i have think one thing you don't do is dignify the palestinian authority as a partner in peace, something that has been tried which has failed for close to 50 years now because they aren't going to be a partner for peace. this idea that you can negotiate between the palestinian leadership and israel and create a palestinian state that will not be a haven for terrorists is a delusion, i think. the broader problem is the united states has lost its way in leadership. now it's possible that we're seeing a return to americ...

Terrorist operations against us, against western europe, then i think that is the inevitable result. i think where our mistake in afghanistan has been is to try and donation building. i would scrub that activity entirely. i don't think it works. but i don't think we can allow our security to depend on the performance of afghan government troops. we're there not to help them, we're there to defend ourselves. >> but given the -- the topography -- how many years have we been there? >> we've been there since 2001. after the september 11 attacks. >> 14 years. we haven't stopped them yet? >> but fra...