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Moment, your honor?" the judge says yes, you may. paul manafort's defense counsel says thank you. and then the judge says, while he's doing, that mr. asonye, while you're correct that the rules of evidence don't apply strictly speaking, as you'll know from looking at the law they often are referred to and imposed because they help ensure the relienlt v liabiliability o that's being presented and that includes whether leading questions should be asked. because it's well known that individuals with a gift as you have, a gift of engaging in verbal atomic footwork, you get a rhythm going and who k...

The jury are the electorate of the mid-terms and eventually the 2020 people that are going to be looking at voting again for president trump. when we're in the court of public opinion, the rules of evidence don't apply. that's what we're seeing from the mainstream media here. taking evidence that we can't really rely on, not only from mccabe's lack of credibility but lack of information and they're running wild with speculation. >> including what is in it. what we do know is that bob mueller has been apprised of it and has it. i'm wondering if it it will have any effect on anything he does, as...

He was called recently to testify. what are lawmakers looking into and what is going to happen as a result of this? >> in the uk they have strict laws that don't apply in the u.s. they're also looking into allegations that these profiles and the firm were involved in illegal work and finally people in the u.s. are wondering what role did this data play for the trump campaign in 2016. >> it's certainly something robert mueller might be looking into. thank you very much for the time janld coming up in our next hour here on msnbc, the entire interview from that whistle-blower interview will air. ...

Here and have been undocumented and so they don't have a pathway into the legal immigration system at this point. what are they to do? >> they always have a pathway into the legal system by applying. but as long as they don't apply, then they're going to be on the outside. >> but the truth is, it's not that simple. >> no, it's not simple. but i'm saying -- >> we know it's not as simple as starting an application. >> if that were true, daca wouldn't be in this moment a topic. if there was an application for us young, you know, americans to come in and become a u.s. citizen, we would have done i...

That's it. that's not fair. >> what about that, hans? >> i think if they pay taxes, they should be able to reap some of that, but they have to become citizens first. >> there's a lot of people, though, who are now in this space where they are paying taxes, but they have been here and been undocumented. and so they don't have a pathway into the legal immigration system at this point. what are they to do? >> they always have a pathway into the legal system by applying. but as long as they don't apply, then they're going to be on the outside. >> but the truth is, it's not that simple. >> it's not...