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Or the approach taken by the baltimore may? >> i don't think i'm either one of those. you take a look the at camden new jersey which at one time was the most dangerous city in america. we fired the entire police department. brought in a new police department with over 400 new members as opposed to 240 before and they have been emphasizing community policing and involvement in the community, walking beats ridinging bicycles on beats, being involved with the public in camden. what you've seen is a 55% reduction in murders in camden and you see that the public in the main is trusting the police d...

And now more with governor chris christie. on the subject of immigration, are you for a path to? >> i think that's an extreme way to go and i think that quite frankly what hillary clinton is doing right now is pandering. that's pandering. we need to have an intelligent conversation about this and bring the american people along to where we can find consensus. that's been the problem with this president. you don't build consensus by executive order and those who pander to make political points out of this. so no i don't believe that's the way to go or where the american people are. >> you say n...