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Pointing to in the, in the thad cochran victory, the fact that other senators who contributed to his campaign, other corporate, you know, pacs and so forth. >> yeah. eric make as real good case. he talks about outside money and cajoled democrats and corporate lobbyists and gop establishment figures in washington all turned the election towards cochran. that might be a good thing for the party in the short term but what he is talking about is this system of, he calls it marionettes. a guy like thad cochran is basically a marionette and people we don't elect and we have no influence over who are...

Able to beat her. they need to beat her. republicans are hoping president obama's approval rating is not that great in north carolina. you know, you don't like where we are, don't vote for the candidate in the party. talking about all the things happening at the state level, the democrats are saying if you don't like what's happening in raleigh, if you don't like the republican is doing, don't elect the guy that is the head of it. did you get a sense talking to people how that argument is playing out? >> i foun people to be very aware of what was happening at the state level. democrats are goi...

President obama would say, turn this car around that is heading us down a road to bankruptcy and get on an economic path that lead toss disproim prosperity. >> sean: one of the things obviously that happen and impacted the campaign in 2008 was the financial crisis that hit just before the election. there has been a financial crisis, pretty much ever since. fewer americans working, more debt, greater deficit. in that sense, when you look back, do you think that had a greater impact than perhaps other people know? >> it was the most impacting aspect of the race, in 2008, with the economic collap...

Romney's lousy record. we talk about progressive taxes, well -- >> that's not my purpose. >> well, no, but he pays 13.9%. >> distraction from the romney record? >> if you want to defend your small business, don't elect mitt romney. oh, come on, all this faux outrage. megyn: i talked to charles payne yesterday, and he talked about how he had relationship damage, marriage issues and so on because he put so much time into his business. and he felt as kevin feels, that he was dissed, he was dismissed by that -- >> i empathize, but the reality is what he was talking about was roads, bridges, infras...

Ad and what isn't. by the sec rules, you absolutely have to use one of the magic words, elect or vote or don't elect -- >> you mean jumping all over a candidate isn't opposing them? >> if you call them and say, tell them to stop eating live puppies, or tell them to stop supporting obamacare, the sec rules are not considered an ad. >> what about the irs, aren't they tougher? >> the irs has a more commons sense approach and looks at it with what they call facts and circumstances. they seem very clear. but the question is whether they will do anything about it. >> joe, share your opinion because ...