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Much. back now to covid. the delta variant and rapid rise in cases and deaths across the country. back with us, msnbc medical contributor dr. gupta. hopefully you didn't cut out because you didn't like my question. i'll ask it again. my take, stakes are higher given what we understand, and the complexity of messaging all of that to the public becomes even more complicated. what did you take away from those documents. >> good afternoon, alicia. sorry about that, by the way. my worry here is that we're potentially risking our credibility for using, or over-using hyperbole to scribe situations ...

Whether he is doing anything to interfere with the probe. >> kellyanne conway says whitaker's media interviews are old news and don't merit a recusal. >> if you're talking about matt whitaker's statements as a private citizen a year and a half ago when the investigation first started, i don't think that disqualifies somebody from being the chief law enforcement officer at the department of justice of human executive functions. >> republicans also note that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein had multiple conflicts in signing the final surveillance warrant for the trump campaign aide being a...

In this country. we're all about a fair, objective hearing of your case, your issues. and if we start to say there are certain groups of people who don't merit the protections of the system, we're on a slippery slope away from our democracy and what we stand for and what we believe in. >> this seems to go beyond trump hysteria. this seems to go toward why, why are people asleep at the switch when we're talking about depriving entrance into this country due process? why are republicans complicit when a president sort of rushets to his worst primal instincts? i remember lindsey graham in the pri...

A resident can be a criminal. a resident can be someone dealing drugs and those are the folks you don't want in your neighborhood and folks who don't merit the protection of the sheriff department when they don't want to work with ice. heather: how will this case impact other states? what should they look at and learn from this? >> what we have got here is a good example other states can follow when they are looking to how to address the issue of sanctuary cities and how to address the problem with rogue communities like you have got in california and other communities like denver, this recent...

Guns as easily as they are able to do so today? >> that's a good question. i think there is. one of the big problems is when people look to the federal government, it's a bigger challenge. this is a government that's further removed from everybody else. i think there's a great deal of progress you can make state by state. legislatures and citizen governments are much closer to the peopling and those conversations are more substantive and tailered to the individual populations with different opinions about this than if they were in maine orrings you know, in indiana or differentprofiles, so tha...