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Reporting always tries to take it to a higher level, 30 years after, of course, richard nixon resigned you are, of course, digging deep into a controversy about the dave matthews band and what happened in chicago 30 years later. >> don't do it. >> and scandal, sam, that according to your reporting was called poopgate. explain. >> okay. >> it's breakfast time. >> we were doing so well. >> you want to jump off of walter's point? >> i'm only quoting your tweet, sam. you just tweeted it like ten minutes ago. don't sit there acting all innocent. follow up on walter's -- >> well, i'll say -- >> talk...

Verdict with paul manafort, or do you believe the president of the united states who continues to lie and give misleading statements about his involvement with russia and refuses to sit down and answer the questions that have already been given to him. i think right now bob mueller has all of the credibility and he should use that leverage. >> how long should mueller engage in these negotiations with the trump legal team before issuing a subpoena? >> you know, i'm going to leave that to bob mueller. but, wolf, donald trump is the reason that this is delaying. he's the reason that this investig...

A furjry trap. >> you have to be thinking the president has to be thinking well if i don't sit down with mueller at all and if i never grant this interview how do i go out there and explain to the american people i wouldn't do an interview even though i didn't do anything wrong. >> i think that's exactly right and part of the calculation that is creating such hesitancy on team trump's part about whether to sit down, two ways to look at this interview -- politically and legally. politically as you point out it might make sense for the president to sit down. he could try to wrap up this investig...

Police killing a couple of african-american young men. this was two years ago. during preseason, collin kaepernick with the 49ers decided to sit and talk to a green beray. he said, don't sit, kneel. if the nfl went to kaepernick and said let's talk about this it might have nipped it in the bud and then president trump in september of last year in the alabama senate race and that again was basically dead at that point and trump enflamed the whole thing again. basically dead, no one talking about it and then enflamed it again. >> but important note at the top, christine, of winston and the three...

Trump called kim jong un and they were able to meet together. so maybe this is the way to handle it. >> greg: the answer is love. >> katie: given an option. be on the field if you are going to be on the field. if you don't kneel you don't sit, punish players for kneeling on the field whereas the miami dolphins were going to do a four-game suspension. seems like a fair way to handle the situation. >> jesse: i don't know. i thought it was a half-baked situation it reminds me of congress. you let a problem fester and try to tackle it and upset both sides and the deal falls apart and then your fla...