a furjry trap. >> you have to be thinking the president has to be thinking well if i don't sit down with mueller at all and if i never grant this interview how do i go out there and explain to the american people i wouldn't do an interview even though i didn't do anything wrong. >> i think that's exactly right and part of the calculation that is creating such hesitancy on team trump's part about whether to sit down, two ways to look at this interview -- politically and legally. politically as you point out it might make sense for the president to sit down. he could try to wrap up this investigation quicker, before the midterm elections potentially and tell the public look, i am cooperating like i've been saying i'm doing nothing wrong legally as the lawyers pointed out his lawyers feel like it's a massive risk for the president. legal experts i've talked to involved in past special investigations say they wouldn't advise their most studious client to sit down with a team like mueller 's this seems so