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>> i push you on that because what a rare commodity you are. someone who takes so much time to understand things here but also here and dealt with the wins and losses down there. that's the trifecta how you come into your own as an adult. your gumption. you have gone through all of those phases. you know who you are, you know what you're about, that's why you believe the thinks you do and argue for and against what you do. rare qualities in leaders these days on the elected side. >> well, we don't reward people who are evidentiary thinkers and independent in their view. i just don't subscribe ...

Happens? >> i think this is the way donald trump understands the economy. he believes the way you fix the trade deficit is to put tariffs on and make them respond. there is a lot of people around him who don't subscribe to that theory. you heard trump say the stock markets will drop and then markets will see this is working and stabilize. all of those who doubt this strategy will come back once they see it is working and will be brought back to the table. we'll see if that happens. in the meantime you have this odd dance going on where the white house is trying to yell at china, we are putting...

The question. that said, just because she's not necessarily going to him doesn't mean that other people aren't and certainly, the president is deeply, deeply aware of this. first of all, he's intimately involved in what did or did not allegedly happen, and secondly, he is someone who watches cable news nonstop and even though it hasn't been the newsiest issue, it is breaking through and he's certainly aware of the allegations against him and the way the story is unfolding. >> do you agree with the proposition that one of the reasons we have seen all of these pivots on tariffs and the way that ...

Machine at breitbart. what do you think he means by that? >> i don't think it's ambiguous, i think it's pretty clear in what he thinks the president needs to deliver and i think actually the president is in agreement with him, too. certainly that is what i understand the case to be. but there are people in there who don't subscribe to the way that donald trump was elected. >> in there? >> in the white house, they don't hide it. it is not a secret. there are people who have more fealty to the obama style, and george bush style. so i think that breitbart wants to come back, you know it can be pl...

Benefits muslims like me, civil islam, muslims that don't subscribe to that view. and he's also taking, assuming the presidency, at a time when the political will to combat islamism in the muslim world is extraordinary. in jordan, in egypt, in saudi arabia, this is a golden moment for him to act. >> all right. well let me ask you this, because the man that mr. trump has chosen to advise him on these issues is the incoming national security adviser general michael flynn. he doesn't necessarily make a distinction between islam and islamism. >> slaum is a political ideology. it's a political ideo...