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What i have said on television is, "don't pardon. ">> harris: anybody. >> anybody at this point, who is involved in this. he should pardon people have gotten raw deals and deserve to be pardoned. don't fire, certainly don't fire mueller, don't fire people like that. don't testify. and, don't tweet. >> harris: don't testify, so you still don't wanted to sit down with mueller? >> absolutely not. nobody interviews you in order to help you. they are only trying to hurt you. >> that some good advice right there. where you are listening? [laughs] >> in 53 years practicing law, i've never had a clien...

Gets to you, as someone who spent a lot of time asking people questions, looking for information from witnesses, the president of the united states is saying what to you? >> let's be clear here. this is not just the president of the united states, this is the head of the federal government, the head of the execute i have it, the department of justice and the fbi are part of the executive. when you're dealing with an investigative case think of take it outside of this context and think of the things that i witnessed when i was at the fbi, for example, major organized crime cases, major drug cas...

>> well, i think we should take him at face value and assume he took a first stab at them, but i'd feel equally certain his lawyers will exhaustively work them over inserting qualifiers and making sure what they send to mueller is a very bland, vanilla product that can't get the president in any kind of trouble. >> barbara, let's look at what bob woodward describes in his book "fear." this is an encounter between trump and his attorney john dowd. dowd says "don't testify. it either that or a jumpsuit." what would you advise the president in this situation? >> yeah, it's interesting. if he real...

The president. quote, don't testify. it's either that or an orange jumpsuit. you have seen that quote everywhere. i know john dowd today put out a statement today saying i never said "orange jumpsuit." but here's what comes right before that in the book, literally on the same page. still john dowd there is a lot of john dowd in the book. page after page after page of direct quotes from john dowd. but here is how he reportedly quit being donald trump's russia lawyer. and herein another story i want to know about. all right. hear from the book. quote, once more on air force one, trump called his...

That seems like a story, right? especially since the white house waited 18 days to fire flynn after the justice department warned the white house about those conversations he was having with the russians and flynn potentially being compromised by the russian government. i mean, if the president knew all along all about those conversations that flynn had had and that flynn was lying to everyone else about, well, like i say, that's a story. tell me more. here's just one more. there's been a bunch of attention so far, including here on this show, to the very first excerpts of the book that were l...