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That we have come together with such unity on this, i think, what will be a devastating package of sanctions. i also think that if we were to impose them in advance and potentially even announce them in advance that we'd give the russians more time to prepare and so there are downsides to even the announcements of specific sanctions but i think it's clear from the united st states, from germany regarding nord stream but also sectoral sanctions and russian oligarchs that penalties are going to be enormous and i don't think, frankly, putin was expecting the nato allies be so unified with such re...

Jolted me out of bed and jolted me “p jolted me out of bed and jolted me up to watch a video of vladimir putin, as you heard from steve, declaring war on this country although euphemisms about us special military operations in donbas are not true, there is a military assault going on across this country, all major cities are under attack in one form or another, so it is extremely serious and it has shocked, i think, is extremely serious and it has shocked, ithink, many is extremely serious and it has shocked, i think, many people here. last night, we were in a town close to where i am now, t...

Foothold or beachhead, if you will, but i also look for a move from belarus towards kyiv and the attempt by the russians to neutralize other militarily significant targets. so i think putin overall is interested in rolling back the calendar, history by about 30 years. and this injustice, this grievance of his has been eating at him for that long. and for whatever reason, he's decided to do what he can to right this tremendous wrong to russia. and so i don't think -- and i don't think ukraine is going to be the last of it. >> i want to get to that because that is really worrisome. first of all,...

And if you think back to chechnya, the chechnya interventions in the 1990s, putin presided over the last one in 1999 where they essentially dealt with chechnyaen rebels by leveling the city. i mean, there is tough times ahead for the ukrainian people. all the support we can give them but i don't think, you know, i don't think russia is going to be able to accomplish its objectives but certainically inflict a heck of a lot more pain and suffering manned make what is already a humanitarian crisis much worse. >> jesse: you said he can't accomplish his objective. let's just take the first objectiv...

Russians want to do is use nukes. that would be devastating for them. and -- >> are you sure? he keeps talking about it. >> he's alerted them, but i don't think -- he's crazy, but he's not that crazy. i think it will be -- i won't call it a hail mary for him to try to use, but what we got to concentrate on is this heavy firepower that is coming, not nuclear, but conventional firepower that is going to come at them, it is going to have air come in with them, and they're not going to care about the beautiful onion domes of kyiv. >> yes. not certainly like you do, sir. >> no. >> general, i really...