It was during one of the christmas parties in washington, d.c. that the members were going, what's going to be next with this new president? i'm not sure how he is going to be making his decisions. what's interesting is that they're saying the same thing today. >> yeah, i mean, i want to go back to something that nile just said, this idea that the president is talking about tax reform, is really different than -- actually, he's not really talking about tax reform, he's talking about tax cuts. i think it's important to look at the way he's phrasing things. he says tax cuts. paul ryan says tax r...