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Veteran Former Mueller prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, seem right there back at work Andrew Weissmann. We are teeing off his expertise and legal analysis in his msnbc podcast with mary mccord who is also with us tonight. That is right here on your screen prosecuting donald trump. Before we get in any further, i want to begin with an open question to you that i think is on a lot of peoples minds in all fairness, can defended trump get a fair trial with these primaries approaching . Great question. I would broaden that question out. I would say can the government and the defendant get a fair...

Special Prosecuting Donald Trump on this pivotal and and the looming trials of the former president , current candidate, and defendant, donald trump. Im ari muller and tonight our aim is to go beyond even the many important day the headlines and takes a wider look at the stakes in Criminal Justice priorities for these unprecedented cases. To do that, i am joined by doj veteran Former Mueller prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, to see him right there back at work, Andrew Weissmann. Burning off his expertise and legal analysis in his msnbc podcast with mary mccord whos also with us tonight. That...

Repression, and that's how they maintain themselves in power while seeming to claim that they have a semblance of democracy. >> i just find that so interesting given how much people are focused on eastman and chesebro and their memos and what was going on there. and this idea that in order for history for people like donald trump to subvert democracy that they need to have that sort of legal facade of legitimacy. is that how you were thinking about this? >> yes, and the other thing with the coups, for everything -- my mantra think airy i, said this to you before, it's becoming more more releva...

In military uniforms, but often today, trump couldn't get the military to play, so we had a civilian army. but there are always people behind the scenes who have prepared it and then are in place if it's successful to kind of be the bureaucracy of repression. >> and that mary, the intersection with the candidates status is relevant because although there has been zero evidence that i've seen publicly that jack smith of the justice department has targeted donald trump because he was running again. having said that, it is a concern that you want to make sure that it doesn't happen. you wouldn't ...

Other bureaucrats working really hard to undermine and subvert democratic institutions in processes. then if they get to power you have lawyers involved along with their other collaborators in states and exception, states of emergency, writing the laws the ekin justify all the crimes you have, so everybody who's a fan of democracy, is defending carl schmidt, who developed, the states of exception. so what happened today states of emergency are used by autocrats today. for example, if you're having an election, because again today you don't ban elections, you keep them going. you declare a stat...