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And remember the issue with the blackberry because remember at the state department there are two very separate systems. there is a classified system and there's the unclassified system, which would be a dot gov e-mail address. she's talking about she used her personal e-mail for the blackberry. but that is not the whole of all of her communications because so much of her communications were done in the classified system. >> it's a contradiction. easier to carry one device and here she is talking about carrying four devices. >> but somebody gives you an ipad so she's saying, well, i have an ip...

Are some things about this that i can't control. i can't control the technical aspects of it. i'm not by any means a technical expert. i relied on people who were and we have done everything we could in response to the state department asking us to do this review because they asked all the former secretaries. the reason they asked is because they found gaps in their own recordkeeping. my assumption -- because this system was there before i became secretary, it was there when i left -- my assumption was anything i sent to a dot gov account would be captured. >> but that's very difficult to capt...

Figure out is if you said in march that the e-mail system began in march of '09 but we have the same e-mail address popping up in january, explain that discrepancy. >> there was a transition period. i wasn't that focused on my e-mail account to be clear here. >> let me stop you there. you say you weren't focused on it, except this seemed to be -- to put an e-mail server at your house is not a -- it's a complicated thing. >> yeah, but it was already there. it had been there for years. it is the system that my husband's personal office used when he got out of the white house, so it was sitting t...

Including white house guidance against using personal e-mail and especially personal e-mail exclusively. you say just now you said people in the government knew you used pe perm e-mail. the e-mails released indicate that the help desk didn't know. they couldn't recognize what your e-mail address was. >> the people i was e-mailing to on the dot gov system knew and they would respond to me on my personal e-mail. i do think it's a fair question. it was allowed and i chose to do it as others who had been in high official positions had as well. and i believed and it's turned out to be very much con...

Kazikstan is. >> cows chew cud and cows make curds. that's how much i know. >> that's enough to get me here on "the five". to another interview in the headlines today, hillary clinton sat down for a rare national interview. only the third since launching her campaign. and she was defiant as ever about her server scandal. >> i don't think there's any precedence for anyone just relying on a personal e-mail system at your level of government. >> this was fully above board. people knew i was using a personal e-mail. i did it for convenience. i sent e-mails that i thought were work-related to peo...