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Going to be easier? does he deserve some slack? >> you know, look, i think what we just heard from president obama is that there is not one lever you can pull, one button you can press. there is a complicated kadri of things you have to do to be able to move the ball forward. note by president obama's 100 days, he had accomplished a myriad of successes that did not encompass just signing a bunch of executive orders. so i think what we heard from president trump in that interview from reuters was really an admission of, this is really, really hard. and not only is it really hard to get everybod...

If he didn't get his way, we're just going to cancel the deal. it's not that easy. and yes, there are very problematic things with the north american free trade agreement. u.s. wages were suppressed, u.s. workers lost jobs, you know, mexican farmers lost jobs. but donald trump and this administration has not taken any steps to really walk people through that, as ron said, and that is why his approval ratings are so damn low! >> doug -- simone, you always make me speechless in good and bad ways. doug, please play armchair psychologist for me right now. >> uh-oh. >> why do you think -- yeah, exa...

Trump really needs to fix. whether we shut down or not, and i don't think we will. we'll pass a cr. but moving forward on the health care bill or whatever the issue may be, there's uncertainty from house republicans, and they're tired of being on this rocky ground where they can't move forward. >> that is a fascinating take, doug. ron, let me bring you in for a little perspective. i mean, if you look -- if we stick on the government shutdown that wasn't, at least for a moment, for a second. if you look back at the past shutdowns, who does end up getting the blame? how does it not reach the whi...

Commentators kayleigh mackanin and doug hide is here as well. doug, the president to reuters, moving away from nafta, but here's one thing i wanted to get about capitol hill, government shutdown, the countdown clock that is not now. here's the quote -- "if there's a shutdown, there's a shutdown." and he added that democrats would be to blame. what kind of bargaining position is this in your mind? i mean, do you really think that the president doesn't care if the government shuts down? >> no, i think he does care, because tomorrow's his 100th day, and if that is the headline on every paper and ...

His approval rating is so much lower than any other new president at this point, why he's the only president to not reach 50% in his first 100 days are more about competence, temperament and execution than ideology and you have a lot of people who are unnerved about whether the way he's approaching the job is suitable for the job. so, i agree with doug. a government shutdown at this point against that back drop would be devastating, but it is also kind of the drum beat, the inability to kind of make the levers work, again, pulling the health care bill for a second time. all of that i think is ...