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Now for tax rofrm which we could have done earlier but this would have worked out better if we could have had some democrat support. now we're going to go for tax reform. >> evan, i'm going to start with you. the repeal collapsed. democrats are in the streets cheering. the collapse, the repeal. but they can't have democrats done to fix obamacare? >> well, right now there's just a lot of wishful thinking on the part of the white house that someday obamacare will have problems that are large enough to force everyone back to the table. it's an unusual environment where the president of the united...

Yesterday, and there wasn't a popular plan to do it with. >> sure. also there is no republican support when president obama forced this down americans' throats seven years ago. it's something he did in the first three or four months of his administration. donald trump is going to get those done. >> evan, final word? >> i think it's insane to think that you can do the exact same thing more than once and expect a different result. if they're going to approach tax return reform without trying to reach across the aisle and not be held by the crazies in the house, they're going to be unsuccessful o...

Harkens back to that debate about the indiana religious freedom law and governor mike pence really pushed on isn't this a license to discriminate against gay people and didn't end well for him and the other republican governors around the country contemplating similar legislation. businesses were very unhappy including people like walmart and saying they weren't going to do -- they didn't say this specifically but others not doing business in the states if the laws were on the book. is this the direction they go back in? >> i don't think so. mike pence is pretty conservative religious governor...

If someone wants to change the marriage laws in a state, the way the constitution allows to do so is to convince your fellow citizens. >> he did an interview with katie couric and essentially blamed the decision on judges hollywood, on the liberal elite saying they're shoving this down americans' throats. you look at all recent polling on this. not just young people that support marriage equality but majority of americans that support this and i have to think about let's say hypothetically a donald trump that ultimately is the nominee in the republican party, when's their message then at the g...

Bazookas and things like that. and it is all part of a very elaborate program of indoctrination and propaganda taking place. i use the term putin youth. it is used in russia. children are sent away at a very early age to camps. russians are fed a steady steady diet of antiamerican propaganda right now. and the average russian thinks very poorly of americans right now. >> so let's talk about your most recent book. it always is very much paralleled to reality. how important is that a novel like this has some degree of reality in it in terms of helping people understand what is going on in the wo...