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Cover, keep it going, kick the can. why do you think republicans having been galvanized to this far right position will go so easily into the good night and accept a deal that keeps the debt ceiling going up? why do you think they'll be roused by the tea party types? >> cut the deal, i believe, chris, because they will have gotten their vote on cut, cap and balance. that will go through. >> so what? >> you keep talking obama's not going to sign anything and doesn't have tax increases. he indicated no tax revenue. ho will you get taxes from the president's desk if you can't get them through the...

Even if defeat at the world cup. we start with the republicans as a protest party. david korn and an msnbc political analyst and pat buchanan, a political analyst as well for msnbc. i was watching you on "morning joe." working both ends ever the block. 12 hours after you began your day. never seen a republican democrat party, we have is a position, take it or leave it. we're not dealing at all with you. what do you think of the party platform now. the republican party, the tea part platform in effect coming out of the house? >> i think the tea party has taken a p.r. beating you or others hav...

Almost anything. no matter the deals. whether $10 trillion or $100 million. you're going to need democratic votes. the democrats i don't think will go along way package if there are just cuts, particularly if there are benefit cuts to medicare and social security and no revenue. there's still a lot of negotiations to be played out and in the meantime, day by day, the republicans are working intransigent and willing to play with fire, because you agree at least half of the members of the house republicans do want to blow up government. it's like blowing up the village to save the village. >> yo...

The gop the refusal to raise any taxes under any circumstances is matching the clear purposes the man pushing republican tax policy right now. one man. grover norquist, the most powerful man most americans have never heard of plays "hardball" here tonight. plus, another day, another resignation in the murdoch scandal. this time the number two man in scotland yard. one day after number one man went belly up. and easy to follow flow chart tonight of the tangled relationships between and among murdoch's people and the police and will ask, is it happening here in america as well? if you've never...

Approving of president obama. knop great winners. president, 43% approve, 48% days glee. better than democrats. 31%, 58% disapprove. and look at republicans. they are taking a beating. 21% approve and 71% disapprove. pat, you say though republicans don't like the approach, amend the constitution, cap and do this stuff, 18% of the gdp and all this, social engineering here, fiscal engineering and risk default by our government, perhaps a spike in the interest rate and all think this at no cost. your new tea party confederates will succeed? >> to this extent, we'll get the debt ceiling increase a...