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And have gotten it, quite frankly, chris, by digging their feet in, being tough, being -- resistant and standing by their principles. >> what day will this occur? if this deal's a success? the success of the intransigent says, my way or the highway? when will they win the battle? this month or next month? >> it may be before august 2nd. if not the week after. >> won't be damage to the country? won't have inflicted damage to the country to get their way? >> my guess, republicans, boehner and others after they get their cup, cap and balance vote behind them will move to do it by the 2nd of augus...

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Certainly anything michele bachmann says, will be used against you in the court of public opinion. let me finish tonight with a great moment for america. even if defeat at the world cup. we start with the republicans as a protest party. david korn and an msnbc political analyst and pat buchanan, a political analyst as well for msnbc. i was watching you on "morning joe." working both ends ever the block. 12 hours after you began your day. never seen a republican democrat party, we have is a position, take it or leave it. we're not dealing at all with you. what do you think of the party platform...

>> no cuts in it either. should -- it has no taxes. no spending cuts. >> no revenue. it's going to be $2 trillion. it's $1.5 trillion in spending cuts. what are you talking about? that's going to be the deal. >> i think they're going with separation. >> and david, i believe i got to go with big spending cuts in revenues. makes no sense. >> i think the president, i said earlier, has leverage at this point because republicans depicted themselves as hostage-takers ready to blow things up and the public doesn't like this. they stood their ground. pat's right about that. the tea party people would ...

Separating debt ceiling increasing from deficit reduction. don't you agree? david? that's what they have to do? >> this will not be a -- >> okay. >> this will not be a package the tea party can claim credit for and it's nothing they can take to the bank. >> you're not sounding like a winner, david. >> back to brinkmanship. do you think this is healthy one party becomes a protest party instead of waving placards and spitting on congressmen when they walk by, this party moved into the halls of congress and is now controlling the process. is that good for american politic, to have 200 and some me...