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Organization in this country has been the american government. so now we want to -- not deny the legitimacy of telling people the truth, we want to say, bring the truth in the open so we can understand the greatness of this country but we can't do so by pretending that the ugliness did not exist. >> so, tom, what about that? i mean are you throwing the baby out with the bathwater? and why not change the curriculum. >> you know i was on that march in washington in summer of 1963 just graduated from high school where martin luther king gave his famous speech. and that has been my most fundamenta...

Stories have we told about benjamin franklin. how many stories have we told about the founding fathers and brothers? and tell the truth about thomas jefferson. a great american, he wrote the declaration -- i mean the declaration of independence -- also one of the authors and also a slaveholder. let's tell the truth about the downer to sally hemings and tell the full truth about thomas jefferson and the full arc philosophy. and first oppressed and then we get mad when say oppressed. and then we deny them. this is part of american history. >> tom, response. >> american history to all of the kids...

That people suffer injustice. >> you should not be teaching then. >> hold on. we have to deal with -- how many stories have we told about benjamin frankin. how many stories have we told about the founding fathers and brothers? and tell the truth about thomas jefferson. a great american, he wrote the declaration -- i mean the declaration of independence -- also one of the authors and also a slaveholder. let's tell the truth about the downer to sally hemings and tell the full truth about thomas jefferson and the full arch of philosophy. and first oppressed and then we get mad when say oppressed....

Government. the most radically separatist organization in this country has been the american government. so now we want to -- not deny the legitimacy of telling people the truth, we want to say, bring the truth in the open so we can understand the greatness of this country but we can't do so by pretending that the ugliness did not exist. >> so, tom, what about that? i mean are you throwing the baby out with the bath water? why not try to change the curriculum? >> you know i was on that march in washington in summer of 1963 just graduated from high school where martin luther king gave his famou...

That racist portrayals of president obama should be wiped out altogether. and i'm sure that people say no, legitimate points to be made but those racist elements must be dealt with. i understand why it would be problematic but radical separatism has been practiced by american government. the most radically separatist organization in this country has been the american government. so now we want to -- not deny the legitimacy of telling people the truth, we want to say, bring the truth in the open so we can understand the greatness of this country but we can't do so by pretending that the uglines...