Trump as elder statesman and republican king maker makes perfect sense. >> yeah. look, gene, he's not a wealthy white christian. he's a wealthy white mormon. the polls show his downward trajectory, do you think his religion is going to come into play here? is it the fact he was so associated with health care, the likes of which obama adopted, that will send him to his political grave? >> i think both are true. i think the reason we're seeing him kind of slide in the polls -- actually, you know, he's at his 23%. that's where he has been this entire cycle. it's just that most of the party would ...