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Criminal record or any other problem. so, i think that i don't kno the evidence that mr. brag has none of us do at this point. we will wait to see th indictment in to see what that educates for us. but mr. cohen it appears wil be a key witness, but that doe not mean, necessarily, that mr cohen won't be believed by a jury at whatever point thi goes to trial. >> now, former president trump has been relentlessly attackin both the manhattan da, alvin bragg, and he has received hundreds of threats. and also the judges overseeing this case, based on what you'v seen so far, could you make th argument...

Dpoint thi. i think it just showed where he was. >> if were if he brought them there, inquiring mind wants to know why. >> mika, obviously i'm not defending post 9/11 rudy beyond what he did in those years after that susan's talking about. and certainly he has acted abhorrently and it's very depressing, again, for knows who actual those who looked up to this guy. he was called america's mayor, but had a controversial run as mayor of new york. but what is so, i think, distressing and also just so unbelievable is, you know, we were walking down the street, mika, and we won't mention the name, bu...

Other conservatives. but this is something to watch. >> it's also tlag winteresting was pointed out by our own reporter, the way chief roberts looks at precedent. that also comes into play here. >> i think that's actually the most important piece of this conversation. there's two things that matter. the first is this is just a stay, this not the final decision. before we start saying that roberts is going to decide with the democratically appointed supreme court justices we have to wait and see the final opinion. what he's saying is the supreme court has to have a hearing and decide this befor...

We get closer to the midterm dpoint thi. i don't think people be willing to be helpful but they're trying to get their congressman to sign on to the discharge petition. >> thanks for coming on the show. i'm going to ask you two to stick around because the president's attacks on mueller went further. the president now says the special counsel is actually getting involved in 2018. what? no evidence to support that. we're talking about it after the break. (baby crying) (slow jazz music) ♪ fly me to the moon