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And they are a far greater number. luke is right that these 40 have a lot of power. there is a huge block who want to vote for mccarthy. can mccarthy convince enough guys to break off, to break from the freedom caucus on the house floor. >> thanks for joining us. >> thanks, steve. coming up, donald trump says he is getting ready for his next act and that means running a more traditional campaign. what we will see from the republican front runner. ben carson standing by his comments on the oregon shooting. . a moment when something so familiar... becomes something so...new. introducing new ce...

Matchup. joining me is democratic strategist with the group draft biden steve, let me start with you. whenever vice president biden talks about the personal tragedy he has experienced it is powerful to listen to and watch that ad. there has been criticism of that ad today including from david axelrod, the architect of president obama's campaigns saying that was going over the line and exploiting personal tragedy. what do you say to that? >> i respect david a lot but i do disagree with him. the guy that runs draft biden was beau biden's political director. we were very careful to use the vice p...

Match joe biden up, he is beating them where she is losing to them. is there an opening there for biden to tell democrats there is a chance you will lose the white house with hillary. >> i think what you are seeing is a match wup between someone running for president and being tested by the press and test td by voters and someone having a lot thrown at her and someone not running for president who is a sitting vice president who everyone has warm feelings about. i trust that you would see a very different set of poll numbers if the vice president decides to run and is tested in the arena of a ...

Mindfulness of winning over the republican establishment? >> my guess and we talked only a little bit about this. my guess from that conversation is that he doesn't think that those kinds of endorsements are necessarily all that valuable, that his success is going to depend more on his ability to rally individual voters throughout the country. >> an interesting test how much endorsements do or don't matter. we appreciate that. >> thanks, steve. >> ben carson meanwhile will not back down from comments on the mass shooting in oregon saying he would have rushed the shooter. what that can do to hi...