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Back. this was all of the people under trump's command, the department of defense, the attorney general and by the way sydney powell no less a person would have been the special council if he would have done it, he would have been it to keep things on his side for at least a couple months. this is bone chilling because it relied on the executive branch alone which is what happens in the worst banana republics. what guardrails? it tells us that we have to rely ultimately on the good faith and integrity of the people in the executive branch which happened this time. not just barr, but people in ...

And it's not right. people need to know that democracy works. that both count and it's honest and being counted honest. >> on that somewhat of a related note as we talk about things that are being done that undermine confidence in the election system i want your reaction if you can to this new reporting from "politico" we takd about at the top of this show that unsigned draft memo that was apparently prepared for former president trump that would have authorized voting machines to be seized in the weeks after the 2020 election. have you had a chance to see this reporting? >> i have read it bri...

Committee after the supreme court decided that they would. i'm sure there's shocking stuff, but that one made my jaw drop that the president was using the military to seize voting machines. >> you know me, i tend to be cautious about evidence, and i look at this memo, it's a draft memo. we don't know who wrote it. we don't know how widely it circulated. we don't know, for instance if trump looked at that time. maybe it was enacted, and maybe he looked at it as clearly illegal and this would be unconstitutional and this use of the military to intervene is clearly not a proper exercise of dod's ...

Think his legal theory will work. pat cipollone, the white house counsel, explodes, you have been arguing this to the president, you've been arguing this to the vice president and now you think the legal theory isn't really solid? why did you do that? >> i mean, why did you do that will be the question for the ages for one john eastman. phil rucker, the "post" series gives us really clear pieces of evidence about the eastman efforts ahead of january 6th to pressure pence, which seems to be sort of at the heart -- i mean, adam kinzinger called it the blueprint for a coup, the eastman memo. let ...

You have been arguing this to the vice president, and now you think the legal theory isn't really solid? why did you do that? >> i mean, why did you do that will be the question for the ages for one john eastman. phil rucker, the post series gives us clear evidence about the eastman efforts ahead of january 6th to pressure pence, which seems to be sort of at the heart -- i mean, adam kinzinger called it the blue print for a coup, the eastman memo. let me put this up. the eastman draft memo arguing that pence could ignore the electoral college vote starts circulating. it argues that pence could...