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Consulted. you know the process. you sat at the national security council for so many years. your reaction? >> i find listening to general kelly difficult to compute, given what we saw over the weekend, and activities i think that the white house and the people there in the nfc were totally unprepared for what is going on. listening to secretary kelly makes it even more complicated in terms of what he knew and when he knew it so chaos was created. and that chaos has had unintended consequences in terms of our relationships abroad. instead of it being more secure it has created more dangerous s...

Were driving this and the rest of the administration across the agencies were playing catchup. general kelly said he was unaware of an order, but certainly wasn't regularly briefed on the details, and said he was relying on what the news media was reporting to hear the latest. we're only a week and a half into this, right, but already pretty clear there's a group of advisers at the white house that want to do things quickly, they want to do this flurry of executive orders and don't entirely trust yet who is in the government, who is in the agencies. they might trust their people at the top, bu...

Occasions in which he was briefed on it, his staff made edits to it. i don't know how much more, and so i think part of what we're trying to do is make sure that people actually understand what happened, what the process was and what the order does. when we use words like travel ban it misrepresents what it is. it's seven countries previously identified by the obama administration where frankly we don't get the information we need for people coming into this country. what this isn't about is not just the people. it's about the information that another country provides us. so we work with other...

Buy-n, so you want their feedback. if the administration wasn't soliciting his feedback, that is the problem, and i don't know if they were or they weren't, he did not say they were, he said they were aware that there was a drafting process going on, he did not say he was a part of it. >> harris: maybe it was semantics, he said he was not tasked with looking at the grammar of that executive order, which i guess we'll leave some people by myself that if you are looking close enough to even consider grammar, would you be looking at it? but the broader issue here is, how to avoid that initial con...

Least two drafts as it got closer to friday. again, don't exactly know other than some of my legal shop representatives were involved. i would imagine on the landing team i would imagine some of them but the point it s it came to the department on a close hold basis. we didn't distribute it to anyone in the department. myself included my chief, and the lawyers and so it was a back-and-forth process. i did talk to representative in the white house, oh, probably certainly early in the week, about where it was going, how it was being developed. i had a comment i'd seen some of the initial drafts,...