Them as part of his base and part of his power structure and he possibly intends to use them, much like we saw them employed on january 6th. but it normalizes. >> i mean, it certainly does. he's appearing with these individuals. so, the other context here in the u.s., when we talk about attempted overthrow of the government in berlin, the largest country in europe, investigators in the north carolina -- investigators in north carolina suspect extremists are behind that attack at a power station, which cut off power to 45,000 people. they are pointing to extremists calling for attacks on critic...