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Who told him about flynn. he's mocking jeff sessions his attorney general for recusing himself from the investigation. he's fired comey. he's undermined his intelligence community's assessment of the russian influence in the campaign and -- right, all along he's undermining the investigation. so to me, the fact that they're having this conversation is actually not that shocking. we are just forgetting what it was like in those months, and to have a president like that, you know, with the scope and the depth of the can haves and lies that he's having with the russians, you know, the 25th amendm...

Doesn't have a good grip on reality at times. >> juliette, i mean, is talk of invoking the 25th amendment or wearing a wire to record a conversation with the president a serious thing? absolutely! i'll answer it for you. while they don't agree on how these conversations took place, both agree none of it went anywhere. is there anything illegal about this? >> no. and they'll disagree about the tone. certainly nothing illegal about the 25th amendment. the constitution envisioned its own out clause for the president. i just want to put everyone back to where these two men were. so nonpolitical me...

Planning illegal acts. why? because according to former acting director an draw mccabe, he and rod rosenstein seriously discussed wearing a wire to record the president and invoking the 25th amendment to remove him from office. >> discussion of the 25th amendment was simply rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort. the deputy attorney general offered to wear a wire into the white house. he said, i never get searched. now, he was not joking. he was absolutely serious, and in fact he brought it up...

Would say bring it on. lindsey graham is not going do it because he has no idea what motivated either man to act that way. it's going to be something not complimentary to the president of the united states. i think this is all graham doing his bidding for donald trump. we have a tendency to think of people as good or bad. you know, one side or the other. i think this is a perfect example as james was saying, in which motivations are really odd in these cases. mccabe, rosenstein, comey, all of them. i think part of what mueller's clearly doing is trying to get out of the psychology of these men...

Is getting a lot of attention in the public and on capitol hill. lindsey graham is making it clear he is not done with this when it comes to the 25th amendment and the whole concept of wearing a wire. let me play you what he said yesterday. >> the whole point of congress existing is to provide oversight to the executive branch so i promise your viewers the following -- that we will have a hearing about who's telling the truth, what actually happened. >> will you subpoena mccabe and rosenstein to appear? >> how can i not if that's what it takes. >> graham thinks mccabe and rosenstein could be i...