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Those interactions might go. >> reporter: how big is the problem? federal stats show that african-american drivers are about 31% more likely to get pulled over than white drivers. they're also more likely to be searched and ticketed. >> when a neighborhood feels that the only kind of law enforcement help they get is the targeting of innocent people you know that really creates a wall between the community and the police. >> a wall that many like pastor actry want to see taken down one traffic stop at a time. ryan young, cnn, chicago. >> i want to bring in now charles blow op-ed columnist, you'...

There's even a term for it. dwb, driving while black. in a series of not-so-funny tweets comedian chris rock documented three separate traffic stops in the span of just seven weeks. rock says, stopped by the cops again. wish me luck. none of this is shocking to cnn contributor elsie granderson. >> i was pulled over in ferguson while covering ferguson. >> reporter: granderson believes more training is needed for officers and talks about the anxiety of being pulled over often by police who seem to be on edge. >> the fact is we've been talking about this for decades now. and it doesn't seem as if...

They're concerned about their loved ones and grab their cell phones. what's the instinct there? >> we call them jump-out boys in west baltimore. >> who's the they? >> the police officers are called jump-out boys. >> why do you call them that? >> they call them that because frequently police officers jump out of their cars without probable cause, as was the case we contend in this case and they do stop and frisk, racial profiling, driving while black happens in west baltimore every single day. oftentimes people are stopped by the police without a traffic stop receipt. so that means people don't...

Driving while black. that is such an offensive statement to make against police officers. i was a cop six years at the height of being called pigs and disrespect. i didn't know one officer that did that. i certainly didn't. i didn't know of any instance of someone driving while black was the reason they were stopped. >> it may not be the reason they were stopped, but on a note that having been in a car pulled over, i will tell you that there are times when you're in a city, tom, that you know the history of something that happens and there are, i'll tell you i was in a city, i won't name the c...

Cetera. and you don't see anyone doing anything about them. and the historical context of how the african-american community is different. and i think that's what mayor de blasio was talking about when he says we have to have new training on how to police in minority communities. it has to be a different way. >> but can you see why there is such a gap? why it comes down with a racial divide between african-american perceptions and white american perceptions? >> well, when you look at the numbers of african-american men, for example, who stopped and frisked, for example. who are driving while b...